tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post1049490232955439001..comments2023-10-08T01:32:13.255-07:00Comments on The Worst of CL Horse For Sale Ads: So what happens when a Big Name Trainer CAN'T train a horse?The CL Horse For Sale Ad Queenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12149959446199698079noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-51131940007058308042010-10-16T01:21:34.615-07:002010-10-16T01:21:34.615-07:00I saw this website I am really impressed with this...I saw this website I am really impressed with this website. I would like to introduce <a href="http://www.saddleonline.com" rel="nofollow">western saddle pad</a> for horse saddle this one is very nice for horse saddle. Hope you like it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-78490906092300097942010-08-25T22:45:42.371-07:002010-08-25T22:45:42.371-07:00I saw this website I really like this. I have a ho...I saw this website I really like this. I have a <a href="http://www.horsefree.com" rel="nofollow">horse classifieds</a> site which is very useful for horses, saddle and it's products. Hope you like this.<br />Cheers!!!!Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16760594390473826233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-62087735795987266872010-04-06T07:26:30.945-07:002010-04-06T07:26:30.945-07:00Sorry guys. This horse needs a ride to Canada or ...Sorry guys. This horse needs a ride to Canada or Mexico, whichever is closer. Too many available horses with good minds that will not kill someone. If the flipping was a one-time event, different ending. <br /><br />I had a horse I was breaking fall backwards on me, breaking my pelvis in several places--might have killed me; I was able to get almost out of the saddle and ended with her laying across my groin on her back. When I was able to walk again, I finished breaking her with absolutely no more incidents, put her with a finish trainer, and went on to win many ribbons with her in WP, Trail, Halter.<br /><br />If the subject horse is repeatedly flipping over, it should be permanently removed from the riding/breeding community. Put it down or meat it out.Carolyn Barcushttp://www.barcusassociates.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-90377490499174993302010-04-06T00:03:42.592-07:002010-04-06T00:03:42.592-07:00I don't look at ads on other sites, so I never...I don't look at ads on other sites, so I never would have seen that. Again, my only info is off of what the ad on CL says. Though, that does explain the sell off of more than one horse. <br /><br />Still does not explain the mare's behavior.The CL Horse For Sale Ad Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12149959446199698079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-9061158452640164562010-04-05T18:13:07.725-07:002010-04-05T18:13:07.725-07:00Joe Reser is one of the better trainers of western...Joe Reser is one of the better trainers of western horses in the Arabian breed. I was perusing the AHA ads to find this particular horse for sale, and found two others for sale by the same owner. <br /><br />This particular ad mentions price reduction due to a divorce. http://www.arabianhorses.org/marketplace/classified/pas_detail.asp?id=54061<br /><br />The whole ad for the black mare just SCREAMS to me that someone is just being an ass, and the divorce might explain that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-23936765610746369872010-04-04T10:13:22.853-07:002010-04-04T10:13:22.853-07:00Ah, well I wondered, but thought I would mention i...Ah, well I wondered, but thought I would mention it anyways. <br /><br />Happy Easter Everyone.The CL Horse For Sale Ad Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12149959446199698079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-49916171399526161092010-04-04T10:04:59.623-07:002010-04-04T10:04:59.623-07:00My mentioning of jealousy had nothing to do with y...My mentioning of jealousy had nothing to do with you, CL Ad Queen. :) That comment was in reference to CnJ's referring to Joe as a "wannabe". He most certainly is not.<br /><br />There will sometimes be horses who come along that we, as trainers (no matter how skilled we are...or think we are) are at a loss as how to correct or cure the problem, or who will baffle us and who we will need to seek outside help to deal with. ANY trainer who claims otherwise is a liar and a fraud. Not being afraid to admit you are in over your head is part of being a professional trainer.<br /><br />That said, as I mentioned earlier, none of us really knows the whole truth of the matter concerning this horse. Probably the best thing to do is to pick up the phone and call Joe, asking him about the horse and casually mentioning the ad and your concerns. It's what I would do under the circumstances.SFTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155830531219245152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-79960908422658182762010-04-04T09:56:09.713-07:002010-04-04T09:56:09.713-07:00Aside from my TWO grammatical errors, (which I apo...Aside from my TWO grammatical errors, (which I apologize for) I agree with the comments.<br /><br />Or most of them anyways. <br /><br />No jealousy here truth be told. I have never had any desire to become a BNT or just a trainer myself. Yes I've heard of Joe, watched him show during the last two Scottsdale Arabian Shows. He's a very good horseman so far as I could tell in the arena. I did not go find his barn to look through it however. <br /><br />My biggest point was this: this is a barn that does and can produce some awesome show horses. These guys obviously know what they are doing, and do it well. <br /><br />So to have this caliber of mare be on CL, with this type of history with this particular trainer makes me raise a few eyebrows. <br /><br />There are any number of reasons this mare started flipping... pain, aggression, the training was too much for her, or it could simply just be her personality. <br /><br />Why didn't the trainer look into the pain issue? If he/they DID, why wasn't it mentioned in the ad? Ill fitting tack? An aggressive mare? <br /><br />These are all issues that as amateur and non-pro level horse owners, we PAY the BNT to handle. This trainer, in this one instance, did not. <br /><br />That was my point.<br /><br />As I've mentioned before, I have no back story on these horses. I have attempted to email the owners directly before using the ads here on a few of the ads featured on this blog, and at least in this particular case, did not ever receive a response.The CL Horse For Sale Ad Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12149959446199698079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-25503293024697001492010-04-04T09:51:23.031-07:002010-04-04T09:51:23.031-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.The CL Horse For Sale Ad Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12149959446199698079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-20665979459834803852010-04-03T10:14:02.436-07:002010-04-03T10:14:02.436-07:00I don't get the propensity for naming black an...I don't get the propensity for naming black animals after black people. I get a bad taste in my mouth when I encounter it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-54288125376191619092010-04-03T08:43:56.380-07:002010-04-03T08:43:56.380-07:00to and too and two are not interchangeable.
Plea...to and too and two are not interchangeable. <br /><br />Please master some basic grammar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-25336546657037884662010-04-02T18:25:46.748-07:002010-04-02T18:25:46.748-07:00Very true ^ that. Not to mention what some owners ...Very true ^ that. Not to mention what some owners want is beyond the horse's capability, and in those cases both owner and trainer share the responsibility for pushing too hard, too fast or going beyond what the horse can physically (and/or mentally) handle.SFTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155830531219245152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-35795778225582071252010-04-02T18:11:04.373-07:002010-04-02T18:11:04.373-07:00Has the mare been vet checked? A trainer that I w...Has the mare been vet checked? A trainer that I worked for has a mare that would launch herself up and over backwards every time she was saddled and ridden. I don't know the exact name for it, but the mare ended up having a severe vertebret problem, along with a pinched nerve dead center in the middle of her back. It took a lot of "off" time to get her right. <br /><br />However, there are those horses who cannot be fixed. Some owners are too stupid to realize that their "farm born and raised" hoofed kid is not going to be their next superstar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-58167633478965046822010-04-02T16:56:39.651-07:002010-04-02T16:56:39.651-07:00CNJ, if you seriously want her, I'd be more th...CNJ, if you seriously want her, I'd be more than willing to go get her and stick her in my pasture until you could get her to wherever you are. She's only a couple hours from me. <br /><br />I'd love to take her on, but I just don't have space/time for another horse. Idiots doing stupid things to Arabs makes me sad!Candy'sGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10714758020336093821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-17398986214864923942010-04-02T14:02:01.029-07:002010-04-02T14:02:01.029-07:00Don't know Joe, so won't comment on that. ...Don't know Joe, so won't comment on that. But<br /><br />His website is full of antidotes about how when he was a boy, he'd dream about being like the riders that got the big wins. <br /><br />His website isn't full of antidotes, I hope. It does appear to be full of ANECDOTES.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-57385932238259590642010-04-02T13:47:27.011-07:002010-04-02T13:47:27.011-07:00Does anyone know what happened to this mare before...Does anyone know what happened to this mare before BNT got her? Was she already flipping? Had someone else had a crack at training her and it didn't work out so then her owner sent her to be "fixed" by a BNT and after 60 days he said 'nope I can't/don't want to fix what was broken by someone else". All we know is that her owner is only claiming one BNT trainer and not all of her trainers.Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-19367573032672946712010-04-02T13:02:46.931-07:002010-04-02T13:02:46.931-07:00I don't know the official approved way to stop...I don't know the official approved way to stop a horse from flipping over, but when I was a teenager I got an abused and panicky Thoroughbred mare who would rear up and then go over backwards. Whenever she would start that when I was on her, I'd just bail, let her go on over backwards, then get back on her when she got up as if nothing had happened. She quickly realized that she got nothing out of the rearing and going over, and stopped on her own. I think that if I'd made a big deal out of it - yelling, hitting, whatever - that it would have further scared her and reinforced the behavior (like, OMG, things really ARE terrible!). But by keeping everything calm, it allowed her to focus on HER, not being scared of me. If the horse is doing this out of aggressiveness, that would be different, but this particular horse was just terrified due to some rough handling and prone to panic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-33111981151160584682010-03-31T17:11:15.143-07:002010-03-31T17:11:15.143-07:00Hmmm. Since no one other than those who have been ...Hmmm. Since no one other than those who have been working with this mare on a daily basis actually know what her story is, aside from what an exasperated and apparently money-desperate owner says in a Craigslist ad (and we all should know by now CL is not the place serious sellers who want serious money for their horses advertise), kind of tough to judge. There is no word on whether or not the mare's issue might be pain related either, in fact there are just no clues at all.<br /><br />But calling Joe Reser a "wannabe a big name" is nothing short of laughable. Joe and his wife Michele are both very skilled horsemen and Joe is very effective at his job ~ both of their Nationals show records and the dozens of satisfied customers speak volumes. Setting Sun's reputation in the industry is stellar. Methinks there may just be a twinge of jealousy here. Just saying.SFTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155830531219245152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-21530454650182541662010-03-31T10:34:29.278-07:002010-03-31T10:34:29.278-07:00I am half tempted to contact the owner and offer t...I am half tempted to contact the owner and offer to take in the horse. I know my hubby can effectively read a horse and would be one of the few on earth who could put an end to the flipping as well as a lot of other issues the horse may have by now. If the problem can be solved. <br /><br />If not, well then I would say she could be a fabulous broodie and in hand horse as a way of life. Maybe try starting her in harness instead.<br /><br />Problem is, with the girls and a family to be concerned about, he doesn't take on problem horses anymore. <br /><br />Not letting the wannabe a big name, trainer off the hook, but some horses just do some wacky shit with no ryhme or reason behind it. You may never know what sets them off, triggers the response or sends the crossed wire signals to them to go off.Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-18147442591253419032010-03-25T13:10:26.618-07:002010-03-25T13:10:26.618-07:00With a price drop like that you gotta wonder if th...With a price drop like that you gotta wonder if that might be the last chance for this mare in the back of the owners mind. Its really hard to judge in this particular case though. The questions that keep running through my head are 1) Why did the mare start flipping to begin with; 2)Why didn't whomever was working her immediately take steps to correct the problem... and if they DID, why didn't it work; 3)Was the owner already going to sell this mare or was the flipping the decision maker; 4)Is the owner getting rid of both of her horses because she is so disgusted that she no longer wants to be a part of the Arabian horse world, or is she just a person that breeds one or two high quality foals a year to sell? <br /><br />I'd say the BNT has a HUGE responsibility in this particular training fail for sure.The CL Horse For Sale Ad Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12149959446199698079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-336526191486019017.post-12091845515635087742010-03-25T12:31:03.906-07:002010-03-25T12:31:03.906-07:00I hope the black mare doesn't end up dumped at...I hope the black mare doesn't end up dumped at a kill pen. I don't know what I would do if my horse (a coming-4-year-old greenie) suddenly started flipping and I didn't know why. I can't afford the cost of a BNT, but I'd almost rather keep him as a pasture ornament than risk him hurting someone or ending up at a slaughter house.<br /><br />It's a tough situation, and it's hard to judge the owner for selling the mare. I'm glad she disclosed the flipping, but I worry about who would buy a horse knowing it flips. Hopefully since it's only been 60 days of training, she has a chance of being fixed. Or maybe she's broodmare quality?Zanthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12275839419034718651noreply@blogger.com