Thursday, May 27, 2010

Long Back or Club Foot?

I decided to leave Tuesday's post up as the top post for an extra day so that hopefully a few more people could see it and maybe one or two more eyes would be opened up to the Big Lick Industry. I had typed up a big ol long reply for what Kat and CNJ said, and then I went to post it, and realized I was logged into gmail under the wrong email address... when I tried to log out and log back in under the correct gmail, blogger ate my post. I really didn't feel like retyping it out again, but the gist of it was that Kat, you are ok to correct anything I ever say on here about soring and the BL industry if I'm wrong and simply that its the 'good ol' boy' club that needs to be seriously broken up permanently within that upper echelon of the Tennessee Walker Club in regards to the Celebration Show for any serious changes to happen. I loved what happened with the Celebration where all but (correct me again please Kat if I'm wrong! :) ) I want to say 2 or 3 horses were DQ'd out of the Saturday Night Championship Big Lick Class, with some seriously BNT being told they couldn't compete that night for the Ultimate Big Lick Title. 

I'd love to see more of that, as would a lot of other people. 

That posting also had the very small distinction of being post number 70 for me on here! I should do something fun or snazzy for post 100, I just don't know what yet. 

I also have a very awesome update, that I've been dying to put up here too, I think after the nastiness of that photo, we need some goodness here, yes? 

I'm sure all of you will remember this little donkey from the "Can't You Hear Him Braying Ouch!" posting. 

He was rescued out of that dump and here's his story! 

One of my borders did decide to go and buy him.  Of course we got about 4-5 stories from the owner of how long he had had Donkey and where he got him, so we are really not sure of his background.  He was still intact, so our first matter of business (after his feet, of course!) was gelding him.  He has been a trooper right along.  He has been beaten in his past (was VERY scared to be hand grazes at first), but he is amazing with my 3 year old daughter, just melts for her.  His feet are MUCH better.  Our farrier did a great first trim and Donkey cantered off after and moves soundly!  All of our horses are scared of him, and now he is starting to be scared of horses because of their reaction!  He is fun to have around.

The Barn Owner that sent me that email also gave me a link to a facebook album with a few more pics of him. She also included pictures of his gelding surgery, so there is some blood, but its not terribly bad. Those are his feet from before - I'm thinking the top is front, the bottom is hind, from the angles of the legs. Either way, no animal should ever have to walk around like this.

There's a few more pictures in there than what I can show here, but I have to include this one. I just LOVE donkey faces! This guy sure looks TONS happier now.

And AFTER the first trim... loads better. The farrier has estimated about 6 months of trims to get his feet back to normal but he will get there.

There are also some really adorable pictures of him with the BO's daughter... like most donks, he's got a soft spot for kids.  They named him Otie! LOL.

Thank you so much Francine for sharing that and allowing me to put it up. We need more good stories like Otie's! 

I am still periodically checking up on Comet and Valora, I'll try to get an update on them soon as well.

Ok, shall we move on with the icky stuff? Today's not to bad, I promise. Just mild ickyness. 

I named today's post "Long Back or Club Foot" because one of the ads features a very long backed horse, and one of them has a club foot... but do very similar jobs. The price point between them is substantial, and while I'm very sure the vast majority of us will agree that one of the price points is more than outrageous, I'm interested in the question of what conformational faults would you be willing to overlook if everything else about the horse is spot on. 

Rope Horse/Kids Horse/Trail Horse Bay Gelding $1000 FIRM (Maricopa)

Finished Bay Head and Heel quarter horse for sale. "Doc" is a sound 1990 model that loves to be ridden and roped off of. He has been on vacation for the last few years and I just can't stand to let him sit in the pen and go to waste any longer. He shoes quiet, hauls well (he should know because he has been to all corners of the southwest). He would be a great horse for a #3 roper or better. I have hauled him to anything from USTRC ropings to rodeos to local jackpots. I have made quite a bit of money off of him roping. He is a wonderful horse all the way around. I am the second only owner of this horse which means he hasn't been passed back and forth from one ranch to another. "Doc" has blood lines from Doc Bar and Hancock. He is not current on registration papers but everything is in line to be set up. I bought him from a horse breeder in Colorado that produces pristine looking horses. He won a reigning title as a 2 yr old. I am comfortable putting my kids on him and not having to worry about them. Doc would make a good kids horse too if that is what your looking for. He is one that knows the difference in experienced and non experienced riders - A good babysitter! . No bad habits and loves to be taken care of. Current on West Nile Shots. Doc has also been around cattle in the pasture and on the mountain. He is sure footed when it comes to ridding on hills and trails. "Doc" has also been on a few hunting trips and knows how to pony and pack. I hate to get rid of him but knowing that he will live out his life doing what he loves means more. Please call Jessica 480---0969. 
p.s. that is a fly tag around his neck.

So before I post the picture of this guy, let me point out a few things. He's older, (19) which can be a double edged sword. He's an ex-roping horse - which means he really might have that 'seen it done it all' attitude. Most of these old rope horses really are as close to 'bombproof' as one can get... though as always, there are exceptions. One thing that concerns me is the 'reigning title as a 2 yr old'... that means he was broke way early, and combine that with the roping life... soundness would be a serious consideration with this guy. 

"I bought him from a horse breeder in Colorado that produces pristine looking horses." 
This sentence by itself would make me stop and wonder what a 'pristine looking horse' is, but I think I'll throw out the picture for you all now... 

E-YOW! Gotta wonder what some people are thinking when they write these ads. Why this chick chose to use the words "pristine horse" to describe this guy I have NO clue. I've seen swaybacked horses before, I've had them here on the blog before. You'd think though, that she'd SAY SOMETHING about his back in the ad - instead of trying to pass him off as "pristine" - whatever the hell that means. Sway backed horses most of the time can be ridden, but good saddle fit is a very high priority here. 

Honestly though for him at this point, pasture life with a few 'pony rides' for the grandkids might not be a bad life for him; add in some Light trail work to keep his mind active and sound... but he's not going to hold up to hard work - that back will simply give out on him one of these days. She's only asking for $1000 - which I think is a great price for him, considering that his personality/mental soundness will be well worth that price. 

He's obviously the 'long back' for this post lol. Let's move on to our club foot, shall we?

Creek is an amzing horse she has beat the odds! she is not registered and has a clubfoot but yet she places at the top of the 1D consistantly when she is in shape unfortunetly my ground is too hard for me to work her and i dont want to take the chances. She is automatic and is quiet at the gate she is automatic enough for a little girl to start on or high school rodeo. I only want to take one horse to college with me and that is also why i am selling her i am negotiable on the price depending on the home, because she is out of shape. She can do so much but we dont get along as well as i would like i ahve seen her go so much faster with other people so come try her!! she is you next money earner!! 

please call or text 520--1184 

Yea, I told you that one of the price points was outrageous. *Dissection knife at the ready*

1st of all... a club foot isn't a work death sentence. The sorrel mare you see on the side bar had a mild club foot, and while she wasn't that comfortable to ride (the worst jackhammer trot and canter you've EVER been on), it didn't affect her that much. I have no idea why the hardness of the ground would affect the mare...unless there's other soundness issues going on with her as well? What I want to know is do you work your OTHER horse on that same ground...

2nd ... This mare is NOT registered. I will never say unregistered or grade horses aren't worth buying. But when have you ever heard of a grade horse going for $20,000 WITH a club foot? 

3rd... its ok to admit that you are going off to college and can only afford one horse. Most people will understand that. However, admitting that the two of you didn't get along is not the best selling point! 

4th... I get the feeling here that she's looking at this mare as the possible start to her college fund... I mean come on. $20,000 for this mare? In NO WAY will she ever get that close to that price. She claims she's negotiable on the price to the right home, and I can see her maybe using the uuber high price to turn unsavory people away. But how far exactly is she willing to come down from that mountain top? What is negotiable for her? $5,000? $10,000? Would YOU be willing to drop the price by TEN GRAND if you were heading off to college? Why set it THAT high to start with? $10,000 is plenty high enough to scare away those same types of people and still give you some negotiating room without making yourself feel like you just got robbed. 

I *think* just by looking at the picture the left hind might be the club foot, but It might also be the shadow crossing over the hoof too. Since you can't see the right fore, it might very well be that one too.

Can't tell from the action shot as well. She had two other pictures of her barrel racing, but they were covered with "Proof" watermarks, and I wasn't about to repost those. 

So back to my original question. Here we have two similar backgrounded, but different horses that did similar jobs. They both have pretty serious conformational defaults. Neither being one you want to pass on. The gelding, at least there's no possibility of that happening... but with the mare, there's a very GOOD chance she'll be bred, if she hasn't been already. 

Out of the two, which is the lesser of the two evils?


  1. If switching pages or changing your account info, highlight, cut or copy your post, then log out, change user, whatever... paste and post as different screen name. I hate when blogger eats things, but I guess everything has to eat at some point.

    I have heard of grade horses going for a substantial amount, but they are well established in their field and have racked up a number of significant titles in open competition... definately worth the money then and papers would have been an added bonus. The barrel chick is smoking something and it isn't her times.

    When I am looking at a horse, the flaws that can be overlooked depend on the horse, the circumstances and their intended use/future. The WB mare I got last fall has stiffle issues. They may improve with work, then again they may not. I knew it going in and took her anyways.

    She has great bloodlines, came with papers and has produced 4 Gorgeous foals. We are going to put her under saddle and see where she goes in the dressage ring. May not make it past first level, but sometimes not many do. No biggie if she doesn't. At 10 years old, she has had a late start and plenty of time to mature- mentally and physically.

    It's all a matter of being honest in your abilities as well as your time and financial committments. What you can afford to support (lamenesses, health issues, joint supplements) and what you can either fix yourself or pay someone else to where training is concerned. People don't like being honest about these things for some reason though. Everyone seems to want to take on more than they can handle.

  2. If I had little kids, I would seriously consider the gelding. Yes, it would be nice if there was some mention of his needing special attention when it comes to saddle fit, but I feel like the tone of the ad conveys that the seller would be upfront about it if you went to try him out.

    I didn't do 4-H, but friend who did tells me that the ex-roping horses with the little tiny girls aboard would dominate most classes back in the day. She said she got a lot of satisfaction watching those equine senior citizen/hand-me-downs beat young, show-slick horses bought by parents with more money than sense—which they usually did. :)

    I don't know anyone in my circle of riding friends who would buy the mare, fast or not. Why pay for a lifetime of special farrier work, foot supplements, etc., when there are plenty of free or almost free QHs out there with all four feet under them?!

  3. I forgot to say Hooray for the donkey in my first post. Glad to see his life is being sorted out by someone with some common sense! Kudos to his new family.

    Anon- we have leased one of our mares to a 4H kid so she could compete. They cleaned house at every show. Brought home high point in both English and western as well as both divisions at the finals too. The mare is turning 23 this year and still going strong. Only does what is asked for, nothing more, nothing less. Those horses are Golden when you get them. I love mine and wouldn't part with her for love nor money. Watching her carry the girl around was beautiful.

    There was another girl competing then. She could sure use a new horse but I'm sure money was tight. She smiled so big, just for the joy of competing. If I knew how to get in touch with her, I would be honored to let her use our ol' girl. Let her poor horse rest and let the girl know the pleasure of winning. I'm off to put out a few emails...

  4. Holy Cow! I thought that said $2000......not $20000!! I just glanced at it....cause I thought there's no way in hell that a horse with a conformational fault that substantial would go for $20000. Geez. I agree with CNJ...what IS she smoking?

  5. The $20K MUST be a typo! Right??

  6. I looked at the facebook album for Otie. I am so glad he is in a great home with his own little girl to love him. It doesn't get better than that.

    And I agree with Monkey - $20K has got to be a typo, right?

  7. Unfortunately I doubt that was a typo on the price. It was in both the title and the ad text itself... I still hold to the belief that girl believed she could get that money for the mare. She's going off to college... party money maybe?

    @CNJ- yea I really do know how to copy paste and keep what I wrote intact, I wasn't paying any attention and was being Blonde :)

  8. LOL! Thanks for the "permission" CL! :) Since I took permission without asking for it. You are awesome!

    I have to say that Otie (I assume pronounced "oat-ee") is a PERFECT name for the donkey. I'm sure those of you in AZ know about Oatman, AZ, where the wild burros rule the town. If not, visit here:,_Arizona I've been there and it's an adorable little town that's totally touristy. One of the burros there was a pregnant spotted jenny that I would have taken home in a heartbeat. She was so sweet and gorgeous! I recommend going to anyone!