Saturday, June 6, 2015

And A Few Years Later....

I'm still alive! For quite a while I had a LOT of bad stuff happen. Stuff is still happening, but my ability to deal with the bad stuff is getting better. Cars, apartments, jobs, even boyfriends have changed since my last blog post on here. Earlier today, while looking for something else, I was digging through some old computer records and came across the folder that I had stored all of the pictures and other research information for this blog. I opened it up and got to thinking that I was starting to really get rolling on this way back when. 

Got me to thinking - I actually MISS writing these blog posts. I wonder if I changed the focus on this blog just a little bit, if I can 'reboot' it and rebuild it. 

Anyone on here care? :D

~The Queen. 

Thursday, September 6, 2012

My Kingdom for a ..... Watch?

Ok, this one just made me laugh a lil. 

Ad Text: 
movado stainless steel watch! This was a gift and i wore it only a few times! Im not a watch wearer!!! this is a real movado not a fake! this retails for 1200!! i will trade for horse preferably a qh mare. also goats, sheep, and pigs. no pot belly please! email or text 

So.... Would you trade your horse for this watch? Gotta admit this one is ambitious!

Wednesday, September 5, 2012

She Really Should Know Better

 Ad Text: 

Solid Palomino Paint Mare - $3500 (North of Phoenix)

Treasure is a beautiful solid paint horse. Ages 12 and up have been riding her. She is great in arena. She loves to lend on trails or she can be in the back. She is used to Flagstaff area and Desert landscape. Hauls with no problem. No buck or rear. Great all around horse.
Breed: Paint
Gender: Mare
Birth Date: Jan 1, 2005

And the Picture...

Ok. The mare totally looks like she's that just incredible type that completely loves kids and would never ever hurt a fly on one. She's got that caring, concerned look on her face and is paying attention to what is admittedly a cutie pie tot in diapers and mini moccasins. Looks like tot is trying to pet the horsie. I'm sure Mom felt that this was a totally safe situation and would snatch that kid up in .397 seconds if anything were to actually happen. 

Here's why it bothers me. Aside from the obvious of course. I followed the link to the site. Pretty much the same thing.... with one exception. A link to her website. 

So I clicked. Then realized where I knew the name from. Its the ranch that provides the horses to the one Girl Scout Camp Ranch that has the horse riding program here in AZ. Camp Maripai has been around forever - heck that is the only camp *I* would attend when *I* was a Girl Scout. (I never got my way of course, but that is another story.) 

What bothers me is that this particular ranch owns the horses that our girl scouts ride. On the surface that might be a good thing.... they are obviously very kid broke horses (and they are - they are horses worth their weight in gold) and believe me, I'd look at the mare knowing she has that background. 

My own daughter will end up at this same camp next year, riding the horses that are owned by this ranch. Granted, the wranglers at the camp are hired and employed by the Girl Scout Council and that program really doesn't have a lot to do with this picture. 

Yet - why is a woman who is representing that ranch - a ranch that obviously would NOT be continually sending horses to a horse riding program that is very strong on safety and basic horsemanship skills - standing out in the middle of an open field with a baby in diapers? 

I understand its a cute picture and in this case, actually kinda does demonstrate that the horse might be kid friendly - but there are so many better ways to do that. Their own website shows plenty of pictures that show they understand safety around horses. 

I guess I don't understand why they chose this particular picture to try to sell the mare. I'm sure they had their reasons but it really isn't representing their hard earned reputation for safety.

The Last 2 Years

Its been a while! 2 Freaking Years! I could rant and rave about what's happened in the last two years but I'll summarize it this way...It's been a long 2 years. 

November 2010 was the last post on the blog until the previous one. Life kinda started falling apart round about then, basically I was stuck in a holding pattern of my own design and had to figure out how to break out on my own. My relationship was falling apart and I was doing the typical 'female sacrifices everything to keep it going' crap.

Fast forward to the first weekend in August 2011. I walked out of my relationship and that poisonous house and didn't look back. Moved into my Grandmothers house and started the healing process with a new job that I was really excited about. November 12th I was involved in an auto accident that I really should not have walked away from. Totaled out my car and since my job was dependent on my car - there went that job. Then, one month after that my grandmother went into full renal failure and was in and out of the hospital from December to February. We almost lost her a couple times, but she is a fighter and refused to give in and she is doing 1000x better at the spry age of 92. 

Throw in some 6 months of unemployment and no pretty much continued to suck! The first third of 2012 was spent in seeking employment and finally in April I found something temporary but full time that just this past week went permanent (YAY! :)). Oh, and the universe decided to gift me with someone that is everything that my ex was not. His name is David and I think the world of him. He's as non-horsey as you can get but at least he's not anti-horse lol. 

On top of all of that.... I decided to go back to college this fall! The degree is at this point just an AA Degree for Computer Information Systems at a local community college but it is a springboard to greater and better things. It is also pretty much what my current job is lol. (This makes my current supervisor amused hehe.)

Said job allows a decent amount of down time and during this past summer I started becoming interested again in the things in the world that once mattered greatly to me. The plight of horses in this country once again crossed my consciousness and I started once again paying attention to what was going on. Started tuning into the fugly blog once more, and after I figured out what the heck had happened to it, realized it no longer had the bite or backbone it once did. 

Then, once my one year anniversary of 'freedom' passed in August, I decided to look this blog up again. Saw that people were still reading it and commenting. The question arose - should I resurrect it or leave it be? 

I started reading what I had written on past posts, and once again felt the fire start rising again. I debated for a full month whether or not I wanted to bring it back. The answer came back unequivocally clear - Yes I do wish to bring it back. As full of fire as it ever was. 

Hmm, that was a bit more then I had planned on saying but eh, its all good.

So, here we go. 

PS: Oh and just for fun, yes, I did end up buying another car :D

Friday, August 31, 2012

Saturday, November 13, 2010

Part Deux...

In the last post I mentioned an email I had received regarding one of my past posts. The ad in question was for the HYPP H/H gelding out of the H/H stallion Wincredible.

When I first got the email, the writer stated that she owned the horse in the ad. She was not clear on when she had purchased the horse, and I instantly wrote that she had purchased the horse after the ad.


She was not the purchaser, but rather the seller. She apparently STILL owns the horse after attempting to sell the horse over the last several months.

So, to the owner in question, THAT I will apologize for. We all know about the statement about the word 'assume', right?

Now that thats out of the way, lets get to the real issue here.

She's claiming slander, libel, and defamation because I put her publicly accessible craigslist ad and YouTube video on this blog, along with the show picture of the gelding and her trainer.

"No I purchased this horse in 2009 (you can pull up the AQHA record if you don't believe me) Yes you are there is a pic of my horse and my trainer up so you are mentioning a person! and i will remind you that i am PROTECTED by a LAW called Defamation, Libel and Slander.  I do not want a fight or to have to involve the law im am just asking nicely to please remove my horse from your blog.  I don't care if you keep your opinions up about the HYPP just please remove my horse, my horses video an my trainer from it.  Feel free to contact me via phone if you wish.  Like I said I'm just asking to please remove my horse, my trainer and my horses video from it. "

I have no idea who the trainer is, etc. The video was mentioned in the craigslist ad, and the picture was ALSO included in the ad. I didn't search them down, etc. It was posted on a public free classified ad site. 

If anything, maybe I should start listing copyright info for the pictures shown on this blog. Never do I ever claim those, that I took them, that I own them, any of that. 

But I want to break down what she said for a min. Just briefly. 


[slan-der]  Show IPA
defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: aslander against his good name.
Law defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing,pictures, etc.

 I would literally have to go up to all of you readers and stand in front of you and speak untruths that I believe are true and are malicious in nature. 

Which I didn't, couldn't, or can't do as most of you don't even live in the same state as I do. 


  [lahy-buhl]  Show IPA
noun, verb, -beled, -bel·ing or especially British -belled, -bel·ling.
Law .
defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or inany form other than by spoken words or gestures.
the act or crime of publishing it.
a formal written declaration or statement, as onecontaining the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds ofa charge.
anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.

Now this one is a little bit more tricky, as this blog IS written.

There was a case that went all the way up to the US Supreme court last year that dealt with this very issue. The case was Cohen Vs. Port (Google), and the argument was this: A google blog named "The Skanks of New York" was written by Port. The blog had a total of 5 posts on it, all centering around one person, Cohen. Cohen sued the blogger and Google, on the grounds that she was a victim of Libel. The Court upheld Cohen's side, and changed the idea that a blogger can say and do anything under an 'anon' name on the net.

But how does this affect me? That particular blog was a rant against ONE single person, named by name, with multiple pictures taken in stalker-like fashion. I have read a lot of articles on the topic of Libel in Blogging since this email was sent to me. What I've learned is that where a true Libel case comes to play is when the blogger does several things.

The blogger has to name names. The blogger has to make up or grossly exaggerate events, stories, or incidents regarding a person, entity, or group of people, and most of the time claim what they write is TRUTH. Calling someone, an entity, or group of people vicious names is also part of it.

So what DID I say exactly?

Link to the blog post in question. 

The post is 90% information regarding HYPP taken from different websites, which I documented and listed sources on. I didn't make ANY of that up.

Then I got into her ad.

(And this is why the halter industry keeps breeding these sick, doomed horses, because AQHA, at the top showing levels, will NOT stop pinning these horses top ten!!! Dont believe me? Check out this link! She goes into the finances behind breeding HYPP Positive horses, and goes on to list on the site Well Known Currently Breeding Stallions that have owners NOT disclosing their Postitive HYPP Status. Oh, and Wincredible is one of them. His owner will gladly accept a $2,500 stud fee though!)

No mention of the horse in question there, just the sire, and thats a comment that is easily proven.

(What magikal medicine is this? There are several drugs that can help prevent attack, but its like taking Vitamin-C to prevent ever getting a cold or the flu. You can take massive quantities of VC and eventually you will get sick. A HYPP H/H horse is eventually going to have an attack. There is nothing any vet can do to prevent that. Its just managing the horse as best as we can to put it off as long as possible.)

I didn't mention it originally, but I did HOURS of research on the net trying to find out what this medicine was. When I finally found the drug I thought it was, not once did I find anything saying that the drug was a cure. There IS NO cure for HYPP. So the above is my opinion based on a lot of research done on my part. Again, no mention of a trainer, horse, or the owner.

 (This is the sad part where some unknowing parent is going to seriously look at this poor gelding and consider purchasing it for their up and coming 4-H'er,  not having a clue what HYPP is, and what it does to the horse...not even mentioning what it does to the poor child who has to watch his/her beloved horse suffer through an attack! There are several experiences recounted on that tell of parents unknowingly buying HYPP horses for their children, and the horror their children have to witness when the horse goes down. Some children never recover emotionally from the devastation and sheer helplessness they feel toward the horse/attack, and never ever go back to horses again. Thats then one more child that doesn't grow up to defend horses against abuse or breeders of HYPP. One more child that will not save a horse from nearly being slaughtered. One more child that will spend their hard earned dollars outside of the horse industry.)

Again, same thing. My opinion, based on hours of research.

 (Nearly all HYPP horses are easy keepers because they sit there in their stalls and their muscles twitch and grow and it looks like they put on weight from air!)


(What can I say here except what I already have said? This bloodline has a genetic defect that will kill this gelding. End of story.)

(Possibly because you have witnessed this horse experiencing an attack and maybe someone said something to you about having/breeding a H/H horse? Or maybe you are just looking to dump him because the owners don't want to deal with the disease?)

HERE is the first mention of anything to directly do with the ad itself. When I write these answers, I use "you" to mean whomever is selling the horse/writing the ad. Sometimes is the same person, sometimes its not. Its not always the owner either. I never know who is writing the ads, and frankly, I don't care. And again, there are no facts here, just my opinion.

 (um, NO he wouldn't!)

And now I will take a block copy from the rest of the post.

So why is it that not once on his entire ad, did the seller mention his show name? If he was that accomplished, that well shown, and I had to sell this horse (sans the HYPP), I'd be blasting his name everywhere to attract those other competitors that saw him compete, hoping one of them would remember him and remember how much they would have liked to have own him themselves. Wanna bet that the owners don't want to be attached publicly to the sale of this horse?

(Quick Self Edit). I am guessing this horse's name is "Sir Wincredible". As I have been writing this, I've been following links all over the place, and checked out the you tube video mentioned in the ad. 

This is the video.  It appears they have had him up for sale for some time, and have dropped the price down quite a bit... the video lists it as $8500 OBO, the CL ad is $2500 OBO. Owners must be getting desperate to dump this poor gelding, wonder how long it will take for this guy to find himself at the local auction, paperless and amazingly enough, HYPP-status suddenly unknown?

Apparently, Wincredible's website,, has also been pulled, no where could I find any website for him. Now I did find the currently listed owners on the  quarter horse directory, but as you can see, Wincredible is no longer listed on their website.

Owners must be getting desperate to dump this poor gelding, wonder how long it will take for this guy to find himself at the local auction, paperless and amazingly enough, HYPP-status suddenly unknown?

Ok, I was harsh on this one. Some would say a bit too harsh, but again, Libel by definition is claiming something malicious that is false, as TRUTH. 

Never once did I claim to say that anyone to do with this horse was going to do, without a doubt, anything with this animal that would be sketchy, immoral, or unethical. (IE, dump paperless at an auction or feed lot.) What I said was my opinion of what could possibly happen based off of the thousands of horses yearly that DO get dumped into auctions and feed lots without papers - and yes, the majority of the time its by THE OWNERS of the horse being dumped. That was a generalized statement that can quite easily be proven as true very quickly by lovely google. However, I did NOT make a definitive statement that the owners of this horse were going to actually take the horse and commit to that type of activity.

Did I ever ONCE say anything that I claimed to be a fact? With the exception of the selling price of the horse, No. It was me ranting about a gelding that I felt was being advertised in the wrong manner, to the wrong crowd, and EXPRESSING MY OPINION on that matter. As for the selling prices, I was simply restating what was on the multiple ads for the horse, at the time of writing. The people that were selling this horse, no matter who they are in relation to the horse, obviously thought that they would start with a specific price, and they changed that price several times, lowering it with each newly posted sales ad WITHOUT changing the previous ads to reflect the newer, lower price. Thats not libel either, because its not malicious in nature, I didn't make it up, and its easily proven to be true. 

The YouTube video is still active, though the comments have been shut down. I don't remember if there were any comments on the video when I first posted this, nor do I remember what they said, if there were. 

Either way - here's the gist of all of this. 

If you sell a horse on the net, like so many people do, and the horse HAS a major flaw, one simply cannot expect for others to ignore the flaw. This gelding's flaw is that someone bred his sire to his dam who were both AT MINIMUM N/H, and the resulting horse is now H/H. 

They posted sales ads everywhere they could, I'm sure. Craigslist, YouTube, who knows where else. Thats normal, expected, and boring.

YouTube is a public domain. Craigslist is a public domain. I did what millions of people do everyday, and linked something I wrote on the net to a YouTube video. Big deal. Don't want people to link to your videos, talk about them, share them, and VIEW THEM? Then don't POST the video in the first place. Or, send it out via email to people that ask, or spend the money on some cheap DVD's, and mail / give them out. But to demand that I remove the link to a public video, on a public site? Nah. Take the video down if you're that unhappy about it. 

As for the trainer, where exactly did I post his name? Oh, right, I didn't. Hell, the video has more pictures of the trainer with the horse in it, PLUS his name and contact PHONE at the end of it. 

BTW, if a horse trainer has a horse he's representing for sale, and gets pissy about what some two-bit, joe blow says about the horse in the internet some half a continent away? Then maybe its time to find a new trainer, yes? Ya think? Professionals SHOULD have much thicker skin than that, and quite honestly, if this trainer is good with having H/H horses being actively campaigned in his barn, then there's a pretty good bet that trainer has heard much worse than anything I can ever say here. ESPECIALLY at the highest levels of the sport, where you get some VERY vocal people on the subject of HYPP. 

I guarantee that there have been a lot worse things said about other horses and other ads. But hey, guess what, don't post it if you can't deal with it! This gelding is just ONE example of why people against HYPP, are against HYPP. I personally believe that every horse that has HYPP needs to be sterilized and amazingly enough there WON'T BE ANY MORE HYPP HORSES. 

Thankfully, as I have said before, this one is a gelding. So thats a non-issue here. He's a gorgeous horse otherwise, and he's probably the darling of the barn. I sincerely am thankful that at least he's GOT a home, clean warm barn, hay, scritches, carrots, hugs, etc. In the video he sure looks happy, healthy, well taken care of, etc. Thats more than we can say about so many more out there.

Did I cause Defamation by my post? I have no idea. It would be rather difficult to prove that JUST because of my post the horse hasn't sold yet, wouldn't it? I really don't think I have that many readers, nor that much influence. Fugly over at Fuglyhorse might - but not me. And she's said MUCH worse about HYPP horses than I have.

Well, just for fun, I did a google search on the horse's name, and my post on HYPP with him in it comes up as the number one hit. What that means, again I have no idea. 

So, to wrap this all up, I'd love to hear thoughts, views, opinions on this. No Slandering, defaming people, or committing Libel though kiddies! We don't want to get in trouble, now do we!

*definitions taken from

P.S. After publishing this post, I got curious, and googled The site is still taken down, but I did find an 'In Memoriam" page to Wincredible that listed him as deceased as of Jan 2008. No mention of cause of death, of course...