The First Friday Featured FUGLY Stallion!

Thank you for our reader submitted ad for today!

This week I started the new WTF Wed, and today is the first Friday Featured Fugly Stallion. AAAANNNDDDD.... its a doozy.

Read it and weep.

Yes, it actually says: "hi i have a nise saddlebred stallion at stud $250 he is not for sale hes foal saddlebred/fillie". 

Oh, wait - it gets so much better!

Cause who just DOESN'T want to breed to a filthy, fugly, mud surrounded meat market level stallion surrounded by the luxurious trailer accommodations! 

I can totally understand the ground being muddy. Heck, its been raining the last 3 out of 5 days here in PHOENIX, AZ this week - but OMG. Is it really that difficult to find a decently clean spot, CLEAN THE HORSE UP A BIT, and take a half way decent picture? 

Also, studying the picture where the horse is facing left, while it is very difficult to see, it does at first glance look like the lead rope is wrapped around the horses front right leg, then trails off on the ground. I put the picture into paint shop and zoomed in a bit, and I actually think there is someone standing behind the horse holding the rope and allowing the end to trail under the horse for several feet. If you look very closely just next to the horses' front legs, you can see what looks like a human pant leg. This just adds to the stupidity in my book. These people obviously have NO FREAKIN CLUE what they are doing with a horse, much less with a 'breeding' stallyion! 

The sick part ... they ARE ACTUALLY GETTING MARES! Whether from their own herd, or outside its impossible to tell because they don't list a website (OH THE FUN THAT WOULD BE...) but look...

A "fillie". Did I mention that I wanted to slap these people already?

I quote the wonderful reader, Cheryl, when she sent it to me: "Why oh why would anyone in their right mind want to take their mare to this place to be bred to this stallion?  Junky trailer, crappy fencing, nothing but mud & stallion tied to a tree.  Ummm yea - I really want my mare bred in such pristine sanitary conditions.  All that for a $250 breeding to your fugly stallion.  I don't think so.  I do think that they should be nominated for poster child of BYB's."

EXACTLY Cheryl. This is why we have the over surplus of horses that we have. This is why we have the debate surrounding whether to have horses slaughtered within the US Borders. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT JUST CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. I currently have in my ad possibilities list three other ads from IL, every ad has at least 5 horses that have all been bred together and not a single one of any of them has done anything other than wear a halter... and in one ad in particular, I have doubts about even that! (Check back monday for those.)

This poor guy needs a serious upgrade, to someone that will actually understand that he needs to put on about 150-200 pounds, needs WORMED, groomed, and just well.... he's in serious need of a small little surgery called 'GELDING'. His eyes are screaming "Save me!" He obviously deserves sooo much more than he's been giving in life. 

I have a serious feeling that once his owners are past the novelty of breeding horses, this guy won't find a great 'forever' home. He's in Fresno, and there are plenty of unscrupulous horse traders that wouldn't think twice about sending this guy up to Washington to the Eunemclaw Auction. For those of you that don't shudder with disgust at that name.... well start reading the fuglyblog.com and you'll understand.

Its these types of ads that make me want to scream, throw things against the wall, and smack the owners upside the head! This is why I started this blog... because otherwise my blood pressure would be 200/150 day in and day out, and quite frankly, my health is pretty important to me. 


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OT: Off to the side of the blog you will see a new ad for EquineOneStop.com. I found them digging around on facebook I think, and discovered that they offer free directory listings for equine related websites and businesses. After a few minor stumbles in the submit page I managed to get myself listed. Please click on the ad or the link above and check them out. 


All right folks, have a good weekend, and I'll see you back here on monday! Keep searching those ads, and send em in. You just might find yourself quoted!

WTF WED: Sometimes what is on the surface isn't the "bad..."

Welcome to the very first WTF WED. :) Today's ad was sent to me by a new reader (Thanks Cheryl!) through email. As I was reading the ad posted from Fresno, CA, I couldn't figure out what was really wrong with it, granted its for a now 2 year old stallion that is barely halter broke, but as they are only asking $800 for him, I figured that was a reasonable price considering almost immediately most people would geld him. Some halfway decent info on the colt, its pretty typical for a 2 year old to be portrayed this way. He's just starting out and hasn't been worked with much. Seems to be a decent willing personality. 





Ad  Text: 
ranger is a well built stud colt w 2 blue eyes. sorrel paint. will be 2yrs in jun. currently 13.2hh big butt. GREAT personality. lots of fun. gets along great w mares and geldings. does great in a pasture. ties, trailers, bathes, ponies. hes a real blast to play with. very smart and fast learner. would be very easy to train. his sire is used for roping and kids ride him. he dos not act like a stud and neither does ranger. ranger likes to play w my dogs. not spooky at all. hes very interested in things. u will absalutly love this guy. hes got one of those personality s where hes just so much fun to be around. come and c for ur self how cool he is. call seanna @ 559-908-8380 also check out his sire and dame and the color his sire has thrown. $800 firm
check out his sire Casper @- http://www.acmountainviewranch.9f.com/stallions.html
check out foals his sire has thrown @http://www.acmountainviewranch.9f.com/Foals1.html


Ok so there were no pictures posted (thats pretty common, as CL is finicky about pics uploaded), and clicked the links. They go to a freeservers website (covered in advertising and not clean or professional looking at all) for the owners ranch. 

This is Ranger. He's rather cute. He's a prime candidate for the cute GELDING of the year award.

Oh. Ok. NOW I get it. We have a typical backyard breeder here. Mr. Voo Doos Ghost is a done nothing, mediocre paint stallion that they are breeding ONLY because he's KOLORED. Oh, and Ghostie is by a stallion that is a "RARE" homozygous tovero. *snork*  I am starting to see why Voo Doo's son up for sale here is a stallion at all. He's got "the world champion bloodlines" that are.... letssseeee.... one generation, two generations, THREE generations back! This is Rangers's grandsire. Gallant isn't that bad of a stallion. He actually looks like he should be a stallion. However, his son, Voo Doo's Ghost... DOES NOT need or look like he should be a stallion. Gallant's sire is Gallant's Move, who is the "BIG NAME" on the pedigree, a horse that actually DID something and earned a Supreme Champion APHA title.

As I'm reading through the site, there are a few things in particular that really jumped out at me. The most glaring is this little gem of text, "Please take note: Casper does NOT photo well. In all the years I have owned him, I have not ONE good picture of him! We live on uneven terrain. All the flat spots that are available to photo him are littered with my husbands junk. Please, come and see him in person and be completly amazed by this blue eyed stallion."  

Ok, WHAT THE FUCK? All the flat spots that you can possibly take a DECENT picture of your stallion, who you are admittedly advertising for breeding, cause your stallion REALLY REALLY needs to make more of himself, (REALLY!?), you can't because of your HUSBAND'S JUNK??? But yet its ok to come see it in person?? Why can't you MOVE IT or CLEAN IT UP? You can't move it, you can't take a decent picture, but you want people to see it in person. Whomever that bit of logic made sense to, has NO sense. And then you POST it on your stallions advertising page. Thats classy, folks.

This is totally besides the fact that most stallion owners don't take promotional pictures themselves, they HIRE someone else to do it. Yes, it costs some money. Its not the cheapest thing in the world. BUT if you want to set your stallion apart from the millions of back yard breeders such as this wonderful ranch, then you buck up the money and get those pro pics. YOU haul the stallion to shows/competitions. YOU compete on him, other than just local 'fun days'. YOU spend the money to show the world that your stallion is WORTH spending the money on! 

The bottom line: If the freakin' owners don't think the stallion is worth spending the money on, why should the mare owners spend their hard earned money in stud fees to the same stallion?!!

Oh, did I mention he's a 'rope' horse? As in one of a million such horses. Why do horses become roping horses? Usually because they are either bred for it, or they don't have the athletic ability to do anything else besides walk down a trail. I'm sure he's a great horse. I just don't understand why we need more of his 'rare' coat pattern?


What else stood out like a sore thumb to me? Oh, the mare. 


They have also on their sale page a red roan mare by the appropriate name of Rosie. Rosie was purchased as a childs mount, and seemed to do ok with that job. They say she taught their daughter how to ride, and from the looks of her, I actually don't doubt that. In the picture below, she just looks like one of those wonderful caring babysitter type mares that just love having someone or something to watch over.





What the hell happened to this mare? Apparently she got injured pretty badly, and is no longer ridable. 





Its rather hard to tell how old the injury to her hock is in this picture, but they do say that she was involved in a 'wire' accident. That MUST have been some heck of an accident, as it caused her entire BODY SHAPE to change. She went from sleek, shiny, happy, and gorgeous, to... sad, skinny (see the ribs? and whats goin' on with that ridge down the bottom of her belly?), and depressed (the look in her eyes in the second picture compared to the first just kills me!). They are trying to find a new home for her too, which...


Ok. *deep breath* I have a damn strong feeling that the child was playing around on her on the property, and something happened and she got tangled up in some of that JUNK of daddy's, and nearly caused Rosie to loose her life. JUST LOOK AT THAT HOCK. Granted, in the picture, its somewhat scabbed up, but its still protruding out a decent amount. Wire injuries usually slice, dice, and scrape horrendous amounts of skin off. That to me, looks suspiciously like a puncture wound. Now I'm not a vet nor a vet tech, but I have seen a fair amount of injuries to horses and this one just doesn't smell right. Nor was I there to confirm my suspicions. I might could probably be totally off on this one. 


What I do know however, is they certainly aren't planning on keeping her in a 'forever home' due to her injuries. Oh no, they are looking to dump her on someone else for the rest of her life, however long that might be. The page hasn't been updated in some time, they mention her 09 foal, so who knows where she is now. I fear to ask. Many a time a 'good home' ends up suddenly showing a whole different personality the moment they leave the sellers farm and all of a sudden the horses find themselves on the road to the local horse auction. A horse with an injury like that? Fair game. I sincerely hope that mare DID find herself a decent pasture where she can stand and swish flies the rest of her deserving life.


Sometimes it pays to click those links. On one hand you obviously have a very cute gelding-to-be that needs a great home. On the other you are dealing with what looks on the outside to be knowledgeable horse people that are involved with who knows what (they are looking to trade that colt for sale for a MINI for their petting zoo? check THAT out on their sales page link!), so in this situation, whomever buys or looks at buying that little colt, better watch out.


Until tomorrow! 

OT Musings

Starting this week I will be doing 'theme' days. Friday for sure will be the new "Friday Featured Stallion", showcasing the best of the most horribly advertised stallions on CL. I had a reader send me a link to an ad that will be perfect for the inaugural post. 


But I need Ideas for other days! Maybe "Marish Monday"? "Wednesday W-T-H(F)"? Oh I kinda like that one. 


Also, once I get a few more followers, I will run a contest to see who can bring in the MOST followers, with some sort of online gift certificate (I'm thinking Amazon?) for around $25. I'll post details when the time is right. 


Also, as usual, if you see those ads that make you cringe, send em in. If you really need to rant about it in the email, then please by all means do so! I'll quote you in the blog for it, if you want. clhorseads@gmail.com. Screenshots are welcome, but send a link as well.


Have a good tuesday!

Sad state of affairs today

Today will be a 'worst' of blog. 


All three horses today are in dire - in one case very desperate - need of upgrading and re-homing. 





Ad Text: 
i have an horse thats is 27 ear old she is still riding me and my kids she loves trails just dont have the time to ride or take care of the way she needs she is a brown horse with a white diamond on her forehead and belly i am asking a 50 dollar rehoming fee plz text/call or email me my #xxx. 


(no picture)


These are our adults writing this. Its a 27 year old horse that way deserves to be treated better than I guarantee this person has treated her. 





Ad Text: 
Clydesdale for sale. she's 16 hands. Vet said she's about 4 or 5 years old. She's broke. Not shoed. Not trailor broke. She was recently dewormed. Good with kids. She's real smart. She's fast & strong and rides like a dream. She has a thick brown winter coat from all the snow. I'm selling her due to hard times (economy). Price is FIRM for she's worth ALOT more. 








*HEADDESK* Ok, at least... at least this one is broke. Supposedly. She's still not being taken care of decently and looks to be underweight and wormy, not to mention  but maybe someone with an eye for drafts will snatch her up - hopefully for a lot less than the $5000 being asked for her. Because, no, she's NOT worth that much. 


And finally... saving the "best" for last...





Ad Text: 
will be 3 in August. not broke would make good horse no time to break out to ride. 14.2 hands

$50.00 or best offer








I sincerely wish that at this time I had 1 million readers in all parts of the country so someone would see that arabian gelding and take him out of his misery, and get him looking like the superstar he so desperately needs to become. 


I don't think I even need to comment on that poor geldings condition. Any person with eyes that had a heart can see how miserable he is. 


I thought I was against licencing for horse ownership, yet the more I see this level of  'care', it makes me think more and more that maybe a licence for ownership wouldn't be such a bad idea. 


On a personal note, its been very rainy and cold the last few days, and been good weather to hole up and do things like read, and catch up on tv episodes on hulu.com, as well as get totally engrossed in looking at these horrible ads. Time to go find something cheery. Night.

HYPP-othetically Dangerous or Not? Day 2

Yesterday I went over the basics of HYPP, and showcased one ad of a gelding that was H/H who's owners/sellers were trying to sell him as a youth horse.

I can rant and rave and scream until I'm blue in the face about HYPP and what it can do, but for most people the reality comes when its shown to them. The reality of HYPP is something that most horse owners one time or another will come across, no matter what discipline you are in.

So I went and searched on youtube to see what I could find. 


This video was one of only a few on you tube showing what a HYPP attack really looks like. This mare is experiencing a mild attack, as its not forcing her to be laying fully paralyzed on the ground, just making her muscles twitch like I discussed yesterday.





As you can see, the spasms are not completely incapacitating this mare - she can move around somewhat freely. You can also see the heavily muscled hip/hindquarters so typical of these Impressive bred horses. The comments on the video show how much misinformation and just NO information there is out there about this disease. 


The comment: "actually my horse is out, well a grandaughter of Impersive. she is a halter horse and she is N/N but u can not show horses in the AQHA shows if they are HYPP P/P!!! and for bethdhoffman there is no cure for HYPP your best luck is to put them down.....sadly..." by quarterhorse42057 also proves how much some people believe the myths surrounding the disease.


AQHA DOES allow HYPP POSITIVE  horses to show, and not just allows them to show but those horses are WINNING. (just see the prior post!)  She also gets the status wrong (P/P) vs the correct H/H, or N/H - well actually two of the posters get it wrong. 


Here is a video that shows a much more severe attack. This video is from the website http://www.bringinglighttohypp.org/HVideo.html. The mare in the video was literally down on the ground partially or fully paralyzed for an hour. The clip is approximately a minute. Notes on the video. The notes state that they could not remove the foal from the mare as she would then become even more stressed and upset. Leaving the foal with the mare at least kept her somewhat calm. The attack happened while she was in a monitored veterinary equine center, and the techs that were attending the mare were in contact with the vet at  all times during the attack. At the end of the video you can see the bandage around her neck from the IV they had to give her. Unfortunately this mare went on to have several more severe attacks, and finally died from them. During this video she suffered several lacerations, bruises, a large swelling on her chest, and several other mild to moderate injuries from her struggles to get up. 

This is the harsh reality of HYPP. This is what it does. More info from the awesome HYPP website regarding common myths.

Unfortunately, only some horses that have this incurable disease are given the care they need and that home that understands that they do need to be on a special diet, and very strict management. 

So when this ad came to my attention so soon after the one from yesterday, It made my eyes literally pop out of my head. 

The ad screams: 

1994 AQHA halter mare - TAKING OFFERS NOW!!! - $1 (clarksville pa)

MISS ASHLEY BE 1994 chestnut mare. Ashley stands 15.0 hands and is HYPP N/H. Ashley is broke to ride and jump but hasnt been schooled in several months. She is very eager to please and would only be able to be used for light occasional riding due to her age. if ridden often she would most likely need joint supplements. Ashley also has been shown at congress and took 12th as a weanling in halter. She also was shown in WV and earned 1/2 point in open halter. This mare could have gone far but due to the previous owners issues was not shown continueously. Ashley has awesome conformation and is flashy with 3 white socks. Ashley is also a great mother to her foals and foals easy. Ashley has no vices and loads, bathes, clips, and ties well. Ashley is UTD in all shots and wormings. Ashley is great in the field with other horses and tends to get along with everyone. Ashley also does great with 24/7 turn out with a blanket. The weather months tend to dry out her skin so i add corn oil to her feed to enhace her coat and skin. She is an easy keeper and isnt picky about her feed. I am only selling because I will not be breeding for several years due to college and this mare shouldnt go to waste. TAKING ALL OFFERS!! TRADES WELCOME! PLEASE NO HORSES! WILL CONCIDER COWS AND PIGS....ETC..

*sigh* NOT ONCE besides the initial N/H mention does she say if this mare has had any signs of the disease. Whats worse is she's been bred. Several times to boot. The person selling her needs to be sat down and shown picture after picture, made to read story after story, watch video after video of HYPP horses that have shown no signs of the disease, then suddenly after or during the VERY FIRST ATTACK die because either they get so stressed out or their neck muscles stiffen so much they suffocate!

Whats worse, is the seller is down to accepting PIGS(?) in payment for this horse that they had listed on this site for $3000! The only good thing I can say about this ad is that at least the mare is being sold unbred. 

I'm so sad for these two horses because if the breeder had simply chosen to not breed their H/H or N/H horse this wouldn't be an issue. 

But as promised, I'm not done yet. 

Fingers get pointed at owners for purchasing these horses as show animals, creating the market for them. Fingers get pointed at the AQHA for continuing to allow the breeding of these horses. Fingers get pointed at breeders for creating the foals in the first place. 

The owners of Invest N Vital Signs is now offering with any full price breeding to their stallion (at their cost) the additive of an extender to his semen. 

This 'magic' formula has been patented as X-Extender, and the idea behind it is this: "A substance and process for preventing reproductive cells containing a genetic defect from being passed onto offspring by creating conditions, such as by adding a particular substance to extra-cellular fluid, that triggers or activates the particular disease associated with the genetic defect in defective reproductive cells, rendering those cells incapable of fertilization, implantation or embryonic development, but without significantly impairing healthy reproductive cells from producing offspring. The invention is particularly suited for channelopathies, and more particularly, for application with sperm from a Quarter Horse that is heterozygous for hyperkalemic periodic paralysis (HYPP). A solution of potassium chloride is added to a sperm extender to produce a potassium concentration of about 0.71 mg/ml. Sperm is introduced to the resulting modified sperm extender for at least five minutes, then is artificially inseminated into a mare. The high potassium concentration activates the disease solely within the sperm containing the defective gene, resulting in leakage of sodium-ion channels that under the increased potassium concentration floods the cytoplasm with positive ions, preventing repolarization of the cell membrane, immobilizing the defective sperm. The potassium concentration does not prevent repolarization in healthy sperm, which retain motility and are capable of fertilizing the egg." Link. 

Basically, they think they can stop the sperm with the defective gene in it from fertilizing the mare. Apparently they have been testing this idea, and has 'shown amazing results'. Whatever that means. If they can actually get this stallion to throw 100% N/N babies, I will be the first person to support this product for all stallions. As a result, they offer a HYPP Guarantee that says if you want to breed to their stallion, you have to have a mare that has been tested N/N. Basically if the foal turns out N/H, the X-Extender didn't work! But guess what, you get a free RE-BREED. That means "lets make MORE N/H babies!!". Cause its not like we don't have enough of them out there as it is! 

Invest N Vital Signs's owners, are also offering a $200,000 World Show Bonus Program. If the 2013 2 Year Old Western Pleasure AQHA World Champion is sired by their diseased stallion, the owner gets half, the exhibitor gets half. How many foals will be born N/H just because their breeders will have visions of getting some of that money?

Now do you believe that the HYPP industry is all about the money?

One generation of not breeding any N/H or H/H horse would nearly stop this entire disease in its tracks. Thats all it would take. 

HYPP-othetically Dangerous or Not?

I have been debating whether or not to tackle the subject of the sale of HYPP positive horses on this blog. I have come to the conclusion that one can never fight this battle too much. While my intent here is not to write a paper on HYPP, some background information is necessary,  since there are STILL people out there that believe the myths and untruths, or just flat out don't know anything about it at all. I have three examples that will blow your minds as much as it did mine. 


HYPP, or Hyperkalemic Periodic Paralysis, is a genetic, inherited equine disease, originating with the AQHA stallion Impressive that affects the horse's nervous system by screwing with the sodium channels and flooding the system with extreme amounts of Potassium. This creates symptoms such as "mild muscle twitching that is undetectable to the human eye; noticeable muscle twitching; "crawling" skin, ranging from slight to very noticeable and usually from the back flank area forward; hind quarter paralysis; excessive yawning; and paralysis of the muscles surrounding the heart and/or lungs, causing death due to heart attack or suffocation" (quoted from here). 


IN laymans terms, these horses literally, can freeze up in a paralytic state at any time, under any circumstances. In their stalls, in the pasture, under saddle. It is especially dangerous for a rider mounted on a HYPP horse, because they could have an attack at any time. IF they have an attack while under saddle, they will loose complete control over their limbs, and they WILL go down to the ground, hard. The rider, unless experienced enough to understand how to safely get off, will be thrown off in some manner. Often times the manner of the rider being thrown from the horses causes in injury or in rare cases, permanent paralysis or death from broken necks and spines. This article about HYPP states in the 10th paragraph down, the debate whether or not to ride these horses, and states that in all of the respondents that argued that while they had positve mounts, not a single one had an attack during a ride. Yet, here (third example down) is a story about a teenage girl that had her HYPP Positive horse go down during a ride. 


Physically, these horses often look like, and are often referred to as the 'bodybuilders' of the Halter world. They are highly sought after as AQHA halter horses because of the extreme Muscling, size, and sheer bulk they naturally have. They get this way due to their muscles in nearly constant motion, twitching from obvious spasms, to the tiniest quivers. The constant contract and relaxing of the muscles is exactly the same biological mechanisms that happen when a human bodybuilder lifts weights. It tears the muscle fibers apart, so when the body rebuilds them, they are stronger, larger, and thicker. 

HYPP Positive horses often are a-symptomatic through birth until anywhere between training and death. Yes, this is a wide time frame, but an attack can come on at any time. 


An attack happens without warning, without preamble, and at any time. It is widely believed attacks are triggered by stress, extreme changes in schedule, training, feed, surroundings, etc. 


Now, these horses inherit this disease through no fault of their own, as the disease is being KNOWINGLY perpetuated by owners of mares and stallions that are N/H. 


What does N/H mean? Its the genetic status of a horse that has the defective gene. Horses that come from known bloodlines that are positive yet did not inherit the gene are N/N. Horses with one positive genetic marker are N/H, and horses that have two genetic markers are H/H. 


Very simply, by breeding a N/H horse to a N/N horse, the resulting foal has a 1 in 2 chance of carrying the positive gene. You have a H/H horse, every single offspring of that horse will have the positive marker, and will have the disease. Not carry it, have it. Exhibit symptoms. Have to specially managed their entire lives. Cost more in Vet fees and feed fees than the average horse. Why? Why is the almighty dollar so powerful that otherwise caring people suddenly become heartless about creating more defective horses?


The controversey surrounding HYPP is one that will not end until the largest breed of horse, the breed that started it all, the mighty AQHA, finally puts it foot down and says NO MORE to breeding its thousands of HYPP H/H and HYPP N/H horses. This list is just a sample of horses that have been found out to be N/H. Here's Page Two. 


Just a bit more information before I showcase todays ads; AQHA's Official Stance on HYPP; UC Davis's Equine Research Lab on HYPP.


So, after all that, why would people actually breed sick horses? Because they win, right? Because their bloodlines are so stellar and irreplaceable that a mare owner can't go anywhere else to find the same, or similar bloodlines? Conscientious people are breeding decedents of Impressive that have his infamous bull dog look, but don't share his dirty gene.


Ad Number 1 today, posted 3/3/10 from the Columbus, OH area. 





Ad Text: 


2002 AQHA 16 HH (So, this horse is a double positive, which means its not IF but WHEN he has an attack, which odds are will eventually prove fatal.) 


Sorrel halter gelding, (at least this one is a gelding!) own son of Wincredible. (Who IS a known HYPP Positive stallion, see below...)  


Has to date 347 AQHA points including youth, amateur and open points. Has earned 77 grands and 94 reserves in the American Quarte Horse Association and won over $10,000 in incentive fund earnings. (And this is why the halter industry keeps breeding these sick, doomed horses, because AQHA, at the top showing levels, will NOT stop pinning these horses top ten!!! Dont believe me? Check out this link! She goes into the finances behind breeding HYPP Positive horses, and goes on to list on the site Well Known Currently Breeding Stallions that have owners NOT disclosing their Postitive HYPP Status. Oh, and Wincredible is one of them. His owner will gladly accept a $2,500 stud fee though!)


This gelding is HYPP H/H, but do not let this scare you as this is not a problem and he can be put on a daily medication to prevent an attack as a precaution. (What magikal medicine is this? There are several drugs that can help prevent attack, but its like taking Vitamin-C to prevent ever getting a cold or the flu. You can take massive quantities of VC and eventually you will get sick. A HYPP H/H horse is eventually going to have an attack. There is nothing any vet can do to prevent that. Its just managing the horse as best as we can to put it off as long as possible.)


This gelding can be easily maintained by a youth or amateur; (This is the sad part where some unknowing parent is going to seriously look at this poor gelding and consider purchasing it for their up and coming 4-H'er,  not having a clue what HYPP is, and what it does to the horse...not even mentioning what it does to the poor child who has to watch his/her beloved horse suffer through an attack! There are several experiences recounted on bringinglighttohypp.org that tell of parents unknowingly buying HYPP horses for their children, and the horror their children have to witness when the horse goes down. Some children never recover emotionally from the devastation and sheer helplessness they feel toward the horse/attack, and never ever go back to horses again. Thats then one more child that doesn't grow up to defend horses against abuse or breeders of HYPP. One more child that will not save a horse from nearly being slaughtered. One more child that will spend their hard earned dollars outside of the horse industry.)


He is an extremely easy keeper. (Nearly all HYPP horses are easy keepers because they sit there in their stalls and their muscles twitch and grow and it looks like they put on weight from air!)


 He has qualified for the aqha open world, youth world and amatuer world and was only shown a total of three times at the world and was top ten all three times. This gelding also has a congress top tens as well. In 2009 he was reserve champion aged gelding at the region 4 regional experience in the open division. More picutres available on his online video on youtube.com just type in "Sir Wincredible" and the linke will come up. (What can I say here except what I already have said? This bloodline has a genetic defect that will kill this gelding. End of story.)


 Asking $2500 OBO. Only selling him as we are looking for a young pleasure prospect. (Possibly because you have witnessed this horse experiencing an attack and maybe someone said something to you about having/breeding a H/H horse? Or maybe you are just looking to dump him because the owners don't want to deal with the disease?)


Not open to trades or partial trades. Would make a great youth or amateur gelding (um, NO he wouldn't!) and will take you all the way. This gelding has had weight pulled off this winter to let him rest but is currently being fit back up to begin showing in May.





So why is it that not once on his entire ad, did the seller mention his show name? If he was that accomplished, that well shown, and I had to sell this horse (sans the HYPP), I'd be blasting his name everywhere to attract those other competitors that saw him compete, hoping one of them would remember him and remember how much they would have liked to have own him themselves. Wanna bet that the owners don't want to be attached publicly to the sale of this horse?


(Quick Self Edit). I am guessing this horse's name is "Sir Wincredible". As I have been writing this, I've been following links all over the place, and checked out the you tube video mentioned in the ad. 


This is the video.  It appears they have had him up for sale for some time, and have dropped the price down quite a bit... the video lists it as $8500 OBO, the CL ad is $2500 OBO. Owners must be getting desperate to dump this poor gelding, wonder how long it will take for this guy to find himself at the local auction, paperless and amazingly enough, HYPP-status suddenly unknown?


Apparently, Wincredible's website, wincredible.com, has also been pulled, no where could I find any website for him. Now I did find the currently listed owners on the quarter horse directory, but as you can see, Wincredible is no longer listed on their website.


I will continue this post tomorrow, as I have spent much longer than I anticipated researching this topic, and work is starting to loom near for the day. Tomorrow I'll have the other ad, and another breeding stallion that is HYPP N/H, yet the breeding contract is .... something else.